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Man on Reddit Tells Sister to Lower Her Dating Standards Because She's a Single Mom
Ah, Reddit’s popular "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit strikes again. This time, a man wrote into the forum asking, "AITA for telling my single mom sister she should get more realistic when it comes to her dating standards?" Let's dive in.
The man, u/AitaThrowaway1714, begins by painting a picture of his sister: "My older sister 32(f) is a single mother of two (7m and 5f) because her marriage ended after 4 years," he wrote. "He is still around and pays child [support], but she's mostly raising the kids on her own." What's more, he adds that she considers herself a good catch—"college degree, well-traveled, good job, above average looking"—but has had no luck with dating. So, he says, she asked her brother for a "guy's opinion."
And this is where single parents everywhere are going to join in on a collective eye roll.
"I told her she should get more realistic when it comes to her dating standards," he wrote. "While she has a lot of things going for her, most guys don't want to date single moms. It’s not that it’s her fault, but there’s a host of sh*t a guy can end up having to deal with, like the ex being a fixture in your life, the kid giving you sh*t about not being their real dad, you not being her first priority, etc."
Apparently looking for a "tall, good looking guy with a good job (80k+), who is well traveled and has his own place/car, who understands that her children come first at all times and 'sweeps her off her feet after a long day'" is just too much to ask. God forbid a woman looks for a decent guy who can take care of himself and is OK with the idea that the kids—and not himself—come first.
His sister hung up on him, and with good reason.
Users immediately started pouring in to comment, calling the original poster out for his behavior.
"I think this lays testament to how much women are conditioned/ expected to take care/ ignore men's baggage when dating," u/allisonkate45 commented. And who says having kids automatically means a woman is damaged goods—or that there aren't men open to the idea of dating someone with a family?
As a mom, I can say that yes, I have changed since having my son. I'm stronger, more patient, more accepting, and can multi-task like no other. I have more love to give and I'm the best version of myself I've ever been. I'm sure most parents would agree.
The dating double standards between men and women were quickly pointed out on Reddit, too. "Me, a woman, and my brother are both insanely picky when it comes to romantic prospects," wrote u/lordliv. "Guess who gets told more that she’s unlikely to find a man with such 'high standards.' Having high standards, whether male, female, or anything else is not a bad thing. Wanting the best for yourself when you know your worth is not a bad thing. Stop encouraging people to settle."
Other users, however, will leave you just as frustrated as the original poster. "Basically she wants a guy that will treat her like the sun shines out of her a**, but at the same time accepts that she most definitely wont treat him like that," u/darthbane83 wrote. "On top of that she wants the guy to be attractive and rich(own car+place and travelled around the world???). Nothing about that is realistic." How all of this was concluded from the original post, I will never know.
"No debt or minimal makes sense (disqualifying somebody because they have an auto loan or mortgage would be stupid) but if the expectation is for them to be making 80k or above it's absurd," u/ksmyt wrote. And, sure, money isn't everything when it comes to happiness, but maybe this single mom was exaggerating when talking about her standards and simply wants a mate with a steady job.
The overwhelming verdict? Yeah, dude, you're kind of being an a**hole. Anyone in the dating game should keep their standards high to get exactly what they're looking for—to get what they're worth. It's their lives and happiness that are stake. Family and friends should be more supportive than anyone.
You know that corny phrase that goes, "Shoot for the moon. Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars"? It definitely pertains to dating. Lower your standards and you're agreeing to accept something you don't actually want—and what's the point of that?
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Meh, whatever. I'm just here to give helpful advice:
If her ex is out of the question (cheater, AWOL, dead, abusive, etc.), her best bet is starting the Brady Bunch with a single father. ...and if single fathers are unacceptable, even for someone who also has "single parent" baggage, then those in glass houses should not throw stones.
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she (and whiteknights) would probably say that's toxic masculinity and call you a misogynist
Meh, whatever. I'm just here to give helpful advice:
If her ex is out of the question (cheater, AWOL, dead, abusive, etc.), her best bet is starting the Brady Bunch with a single father. ...and if single fathers are unacceptable, even for someone who also has "single parent" baggage, then those in glass houses should not throw stones.
I didn't say I disagreed or that you were wrong
WRT single fathers, this is one of the many double standards in the dating market.
In 2015, the journalist Nancy Jo Sales — she of The Bling Ring and many a buzzy celebrity profile in the ’90s and aughts — published an article about Tinder. But it wasn’t really about Tinder per se; it was about how Tinder and dating apps like it were ushering in a new, dystopian romantic landscape in which sex was the result of an algorithm and relationships were almost never actually formed. Instead of offering real, human connection with a single swipe, Sales argued that dating apps were simply turning up the dial on hookup culture, and hetero women were once again left to work out the mental gymnastics to convince ourselves that, actually, this was good.
Yet throughout her years reporting the story, and later her book American Girls: Social Media and the Secret Lives of Teenagers and her documentary Swiped: Hooking Up in the Digital Age, Sales became one of Tinder’s most enthusiastic power users. A single mom in her 50s, she reported finding particular success on the apps with young men in their 20s, some of whom turned into exciting trysts, others awkward sexual partners, and one a life-altering heartbreak.
These are the subjects of Sales’s latest book, a memoir titled Nothing Personal: My Secret Life in the Dating App Inferno, in which she also recounts her childhood and the many instances of sexual assault she underwent as a young woman, combined with analysis of the depressing state of sexual violence and oppression that social media, she argues, exacerbates.
The result is an intensely personal (and incredibly juicy) retelling of Sales’s life as a marquee writer at New York magazine and Vanity Fair, replete with media gossip and detailed sex scenes that make it impossible to put down. In my interview with Sales, we talk about how dating apps make us feel terrible, and discuss some ideas on how to make the internet a more tolerable place for women.
Your 2015 Vanity Fair story “Tinder and the Dawn of the Dating Apocalypse” was one of the first viral articles that pushed back against the idea that dating apps were a net good to society. Do you feel vindicated at all that in the six years since, people have been a lot less sympathetic to Big Tech?
We’re in a techlash, which I think started around 2016 or 2017 with Cambridge Analytica and the congressional hearings. The media, finally, is criticizing the moves of Big Tech, and we’ve come to realize that this is a really big problem in all of our lives, and we all need to go a little Upton Sinclair on this.
I call it Big Dating because it’s like Big Pharma in the sense that they’re more interested in selling you pills than curing what’s really wrong with you. Dating happens 24/7 now, whereas there used to be times when we date. To the extent that disruption is good business, I see it as an insidious thing because they’re disrupting our lives — especially women, people of color, trans people, LGBTQ people, who are more vulnerable to abuse. There has not been a reckoning at all in the way it needs to happen. Columbia Journalism Investigations surveyed 1,200 women and found that more than a third of them reported being sexually assaulted or raped by someone they’d met through a dating site.
One of the points you turn to a lot is that dating apps make people feel disposable and that they gamify dating. What impact does that have on the way we date?
Everybody’s on these sites now, and I think different generations use dating apps in slightly different ways — older people sometimes retain the dating norms of their generations. But I also think that the app controls our behavior and makes us treat everybody as disposable. My friend who is referred to as Constance in the book, who is 60, feels like she’s getting used by all these guys who are her age. She’ll check their phones and find out [these older men] are trying to hit up 20-year-olds to be their sugar daddy.
People who would normally not have had these thoughts in their heads are doing this because of dating apps. It’s imposed on you by platforms and algorithms that aren’t really about you finding love, they just want you to engage. The more you see 18-year-old women or whatever — and [the apps] have fake bots, too — it gets your dopamine spiking. So you think, “Maybe if I just keep swiping and keep swiping, I’ll get another one.” It’s like gambling.
At the time of the Tinder story, people accused you of creating a moral panic and of being a pearl-clutcher. What’s your response to that?
I’m not saying we need courtly love. I did my whole thesis on courtly love and feminism. I know the pitfalls and the problems, and I’m not saying that we should go back to, like, the Sir Lancelot idea of somebody being in your thrall. But it really is nice to have somebody in your thrall, trying to make you feel special. That should be a goal on both sides, to make someone feel special. Let’s not have a competition to see who can care less and who’s gonna text back after more time has passed. All this hedging that people do over dating apps is so tiresome to me. They bend over backward to say, “I didn’t mean to say I cared about you!” What’s wrong with caring about somebody? You don’t have to marry them. But just, like, could you just care a little bit?
I want people to let themselves fall in love, and even if they get the heartbreak, they fall in love and have good sex and they don’t think that there are 5 million other people out there, because probably there aren’t. It’s like when you sit down and watch Netflix, you spend more time checking out all the different options than you actually do watching the show.
The irony, of course, is that as you were doing all this research in the mid-2010s, you’re also using Tinder and hooking up with younger guys constantly. How did you see your own dating patterns change when you got on the apps?
There used to be a lot more randomness. Believe me, I can’t stress enough that I’m not romanticizing the past. You read the book — in the past, a lot of bad things have happened to me. But I do remember having a lot of fun, and the kind of fun that was about being an independent young woman in New York. You’d run around and go to parties and then you’re on a rooftop making out. It was random. It was a mystery. It was magic. Everybody wasn’t watching porn — they were starting to, but it wasn’t accessible in the way it became in the late ’90s. They’d connect with you more in bed.
Then I went on dating apps, and I felt like I was in service to the app. It was labor. A lot of young women that I’ve interviewed have actually described it as exhausting. You’re working for this company to create data, and you don’t really realize that because it’s never openly expressed. You’re being judged constantly. You’re being approached by these guys that might be sweet and cute, but they might be a bot. They also might be an incel. You might be having a good conversation but then they want to get a nude, or they want to come over right away and you say no, and they turn on a dime and turn abusive.
Very often with young men, I felt like they didn’t know how to have a conversation. I definitely met some interesting guys, and the reason why I was going out with younger guys was because I was trying to get over a heartbreak and it seemed like a fun thing to do to date a 24-year-old for a minute as a nice distraction. But also, there weren’t a lot of people my age. Tinder, at that point, didn’t even go past 40!
One of the moments in the book that stuck with me is the feeling of trying to explain to a male friend — someone who likely thinks of himself as a feminist — about sexism and watching his eyes just totally glaze over. Why is it still so hard for people to accept that some things are sexist and that we’re doing ourselves a disservice by not talking about them?
As much as we are having a moment and are moving forward, I think this technology is exacerbating misogyny. I don’t think it’s good for men, either: It’s making it harder for all of us to truly connect and find lasting relationships, and not just relationships, even just good sex.
I had a lot of one-night stands in the ’90s when I was a girl about town that were just like … muah. Like, “Wow, that’s a nice memory.” But those are harder and harder to find because you’re in this box now where you have to do things the way the corporation makes you do them. That’s really a problem when it comes to dating because dating should be all about agency and choice, yet algorithms are getting you addicted and making you turn yourself into an object. “Am I fuckable or not?” I want to see radical change, and that all starts with thinking about what you’re doing and what people are making you do. I don’t mean to sound like I have all the answers. I honestly don’t know.
In your documentary, you interview a psychologist who theorizes that the two biggest shifts in dating have been the agricultural revolution and the internet. That made me feel like we’re this generation of guinea pigs who are being tested on by these forces we have no control over. When we look back at early dating apps a few decades down the line, what do you think or hope we will have learned by then?
That this was a dark age; that this was a period of acceptable and normalized brutality that encouraged things that are completely at odds with our health, our well-being, and our humanity. I know that sounds extreme, but I do hope that’s what will happen. Dating is often seen as a trivial thing, but it’s not trivial. It’s how we get family, which is pretty important. We have companies that are actively blocking us from finding what we need under the guise of doing the opposite. I think that is so wrong.
For those of us who know you mostly for your narrative reporting pieces, this book was strikingly personal. What was it like going from writing about other people to writing about yourself?
It didn’t start out great. I went to an Airbnb in the Catskills in fall 2018, and I would sit down with my computer and think, “I don’t want to write about that.” And then I realized, every time you think to yourself, “I’m scared to say that,” that’s the thing you have to write about. Just like when you’re interviewing someone, you do things to make them comfortable enough so that their real self starts to come out, I had to do that to myself. I was very scared.
There’s some things that you discover about yourself that are going to be valuable when you share them because they’re probably very, very human [experiences] that everyone can relate to. That was stuff that once upon a time I would have considered shameful or embarrassing or pathetic — dating situations where you’re having sex with a guy and just getting through it, like you did consent but you’re not really excited about it. I had heard about these kinds of things from young women, and secretly I would be thinking, “I know exactly what you mean, I’ve done that a thousand times.” By talking about it, it’s not so scary anymore.
L.A. Affairs: The sheer exhaustion of dating as a single mom
We love each other but we can’t stay married because he is a person with alcoholicism who won’t acknowledge his problem. He takes the king-sized bed. I keep our 2-year-old daughter, Grace, most of the time.
I also buy a queen-sized organic pillow-top mattress, plus all-new sheets, and I make some curtains, reclaiming my bedroom.
A year goes by and I’ve gotten a handle on single parenting. I watch a “Downton Abbey” Christmas episode in which a long-gone character returns — surprise! — and sinks into the arms of his wife, who is stunned, grateful and brimming over with love. I decide that I would like to be partnered in something that feels like that.
Yet over the next seven years I’ll share my bed with a series of highly unavailable people: a funny and handsome podcast producer who announces within the first moments of our meeting that he’ll never marry or live with anyone (still, we date for more than a year); and a woman who, like me, is trying to figure out how exactly how bisexual she is (yep, we are, but we don’t have couple chemistry); and a college boyfriend who resurfaces, with three children and a not-quite ex-wife. (He’s separated but will never divorce.)
But how do I even date now, in the middle of a pandemic, when pretty much anyone can pass a deadly disease to me? And also, Grace is never more than 25 feet away.
Still, I use that old lottery logic: “You can’t win if you don’t play.” I go on a dating app and connect with R., who hooks me with his “Food is my love language!” line. He’s charismatic and can do any accent or voice I ask for, like a jukebox. We each get a COVID test for our second date and have a mind-blowing, molecule-rearranging kiss.
It’s all perfect until we hit Month 3 of dating. Now that there are two adults in my bed a few nights a week, the center is not holding. That’s not a metaphor. My mattress dips, forcing us to roll toward each other, unless we cling to our respective sides. I buy a mattress topper, thinking this can help. But it does the opposite; it’s like a full Pilates workout to just get out of bed. Many experts have suggested that tar pits sucked in dinosaurs, contributing to their extinction. But it becomes clear to me that these great ancient beasts were actually done in by memory foam.
I have a breakthrough in therapy, realizing that as a child nobody really cared about what I wanted or needed. That basically left me unable to think about what I want in a relationship, let alone ask for it, thereby placing all the focus on my partner’s needs. Until everything implodes.
So I practice sitting still and ask myself what I want and need, and I guess I need more than I thought. I love and miss R. when I don’t see him, but when we’re actually together I feel stressed and tired trying to seem like I’ve got shutdown with a kid under complete control. That continuous cleaning, cooking, working and entertaining within my small apartment isn’t wearing me down.
During the pandemic we’re at my house most of the time, and though R. operates with multiple levels of generosity, such as bringing over Chinese food on Fridays, I want him to be more of a partner, not a gentleman caller.
He regularly says, “How can I help?” but I can never think of anything in the moment. Asking for what I want seems like an insurmountable task.
Cooking is my love language, it’s my currency, it’s my one throw-down talent I can share with my friends. Over the holidays I joyfully make a pot of bouillabaisse and a Bolognese. And then two batches of shortbread, one for a last-minute neighbor gift and one for us. And then I was done cooking. So I said, “I’m done cooking.”
What that really means but I can’t say out loud is, “I have taken very good care of both of you! I am tired now! I would like someone to make something for me!” And of course, because Grace is only 9, I want him to take the wheel in the kitchen. It is a hint that floats in the air for a few seconds and lands somewhere over by the recycling bin.
When dinnertime comes around, I notice nobody else is making a move for the kitchen. So in my sadness and frustration, I make soup and serve it.
Adding a second adult to the mix feels like I am disturbing all the perfectly balanced, precariously spinning plates of my life. I have a foreboding feeling for the next several days after. Maybe having a boyfriend and a kid is just not possible after all.
I am increasingly conflicted about having enough time and love for everyone. And it feels like my plane is falling from the sky, smoking, burning. So I bail out. I break up with him. He is blindsided and brokenhearted. He would have done anything I’d asked … if only I’d asked.
I also get a new mattress. A firm one.
I make the new bed with freshly clean sheets and lie down. It’s supportive. It is exactly what I need.
I wish R. could feel this mattress, I think he’d like it. We like the same art and food and movies. We think the same things are funny. I thought I was ready. I thought I was truly available in all the right ways. Like R. is.
But clearly, I’m not there. I’m hit with the sickening realization that I’ve made a mistake by not at least having a conversation with R. before the breakup. Plus, I miss how he and Grace bonded over art and music and pandas, but I’m scared that if we got back together I’d go back to feeling stressed out and there would be another breakup.
After a few days of agonizing silence, we talk to try to sort through the wreckage I’ve wrought.
We sit on his porch, masked, warmed by the crisp California winter sun. I’m reminded of his humor and patience, that resonant voice, and his willingness to listen to me. Like, really listen. He wants me back, but it’s an all-or-nothing deal; he doesn’t want to be among a class of friends I have that used to be lovers. I can see us together, maybe sitting on this porch on a daily basis, morning coffee in hand.
I just have no idea how to get there.
For the next few days we have some sweet phone conversations. His continued patience with my uncertainty and messiness is mind-boggling and makes me love him even more. I invite him to come over with the condition that we don’t say a word.
It’s late and he slips in through the unlocked kitchen door and comes to bed. We are silent, revisiting each other, like some strange extended acting-class exercise. It feels good and right.
We will make no decisions this very second. We will sleep on it and see how we feel tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that.
The author is a Los Angeles-based freelancer and the author of “Rock Needs River: A Memoir About a Very Open Adoption.” She and R. are quite happy together.
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One Mom Made a Honest Confession About Parenting, and the Internet Didn’t Suck for Once
Parenting is really hard, especially if you’re a single parent. But as one mom learned, there are people on the internet who can sympathize and this single mom confession proves it. About a year ago a woman with the username “unfitmom” posted a very real, and very raw post on Reddit. In the post she reveals that as a single parent to a 3-year-old daughter with virtually no support, “I literally hate being a mom.” She goes on to add “every morning It feels like I’m just waiting for night to get here so she can go to sleep and I can have some time and peace to myself.”
As a single parent, myself, I can relate to this single mom confession.
While her daughter’s father initially agreed to support her, he didn’t. They had only been dating for a year when she became pregnant. Because the relationship came to an end, her only option was living with her family. Her mother offers no support. So, the poster must “give into my daughters tantrums and demands so she can be quiet quickly, or else get yelled at by my mother for waking her up with our noise.” And by her description her daughter “is a very touchy little kid who ALWAYS needs to be held and kissed.” All of that is overwhelming for any parent. But for a single parent, it can be crushing. This woman’s story reminds me of myself and it is painful. It seems like this poor momma has nowhere to turn to.
Normally, posting something so personal in a public forum is a disaster.
But surprisingly, people really stepped up on this particular thread. Many of the comments were full of not just support, but commiseration. “As a once-single dad, I can say that it gets better.” says one user. Adds another “Being a mom is hard, and it doesn’t come naturally to us all; and that’s seriously ok.” Because no matter what our situation, we’ve all been there. As much as I love my kid, 3 year olds are tough. But like many recommended, there are ways to improve a bad situation. Talking about it always helps, even if it’s with strangers on the internet. Another option is therapy, which many people suggested.
Parenting is not easy, and if you have no outlet for your frustration, your soul gets compromised.
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Usually, reaching out to strangers on the internet is a disaster. But occasionally, people can come together for good. This mother needed a safe space and was lucky to find it. In a follow up she says “admitting it to you all broke the ice to admitting I’m drowning in my own feelings.” Being a single parent is always hard. But you can find help in unexpected places.
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Richard Cooper on the DANGERS of Dating Single MothersIn 2015, the journalist Nancy Jo Sales — she of dating single mom reddit Bling Ring and many a buzzy celebrity profile in the ’90s and aughts — published an article about Tinder. But it wasn’t really about Tinder per se; it was about how Tinder and dating apps like it were ushering in a new, dystopian romantic landscape in which sex was the result of an algorithm and relationships were almost never actually formed. Instead of offering real, human connection with a single swipe, Sales argued that dating apps were simply turning up the dial on hookup culture, and hetero women were once again left to work out the mental gymnastics to convince ourselves that, actually, this was good.
Yet throughout her years reporting the story, and later her book American Girls: Social Media and the Secret Lives of Teenagers and her documentary Swiped: Hooking Up in the Digital Age, Sales became one of Tinder’s most enthusiastic power users. A single mom in her 50s, she reported finding particular success on the apps with young men in their 20s, some of whom turned into exciting trysts, others awkward dating single mom reddit partners, and one a life-altering heartbreak.
These are the subjects of Sales’s latest book, a memoir titled Nothing Personal: My Secret Life in the Dating App Inferno, in which she dating single mom reddit recounts her childhood and the many instances of sexual assault she underwent as a young woman, combined with analysis of the depressing state of sexual violence and oppression that social media, she argues, exacerbates.
The result is an intensely personal (and incredibly juicy) retelling of Sales’s life as a marquee writer at New York magazine and Vanity Fair, replete with media gossip and detailed sex dating single mom reddit that make it impossible to put down. In my interview women dating standards reddit Sales, we talk about how dating apps make us feel terrible, and discuss some ideas on how to make the internet a more tolerable place for women, dating single mom reddit.
Your 2015 Dating single mom reddit Fair story “Tinder and the Dawn of the Dating Apocalypse” was one of the first viral articles that pushed back against the idea that dating apps were a net good to society. Do you feel vindicated at all that in the six years since, people have been a lot less sympathetic to Big Tech?
We’re in a techlash, which I think started around 2016 or 2017 with Cambridge Analytica and the congressional hearings. The media, finally, is criticizing the moves of Big Tech, and we’ve come to realize that this dating site for gun owners a really big problem in all of our lives, and we all need to go a little Upton Sinclair on this.
I call it Big Dating because it’s like Big Pharma in the sense that they’re more interested in selling you pills than curing what’s really wrong with you. Dating happens 24/7 now, whereas there used to be times when we date. To the extent that disruption is good business, I see it as an insidious thing because they’re disrupting our lives — especially women, people of color, trans people, LGBTQ people, who are more vulnerable to abuse. There has not been a reckoning at all in the way it needs to happen, dating single mom reddit. Columbia Journalism Investigations surveyed 1,200 women and found that more than a third of them reported being sexually assaulted or raped by someone they’d met through a dating site.
One of the dating single mom reddit you turn to a lot is that dating apps make people feel disposable and that they gamify dating. What impact does that have on the way we date?
Everybody’s on these sites now, and I free dating sites in hong kong different generations use dating apps in slightly different ways — older people sometimes retain the dating norms of their generations. But I also think that the app controls our behavior and makes us treat everybody as disposable. My friend who is referred to as Constance in the book, who is 60, feels like she’s getting used by all these guys who are her age. She’ll check their phones and find out [these older men] are trying to hit up 20-year-olds to be their sugar daddy.
People who would normally not have had these thoughts in their heads are doing this because of dating apps. It’s imposed on you by platforms and algorithms that aren’t really about you finding love, they just want you to engage. The more you see 18-year-old women or whatever — and [the apps] have fake bots, too — it gets your dopamine spiking. So you think, “Maybe if I just keep swiping and keep swiping, I’ll get another one.” It’s like gambling.
At the time of the Tinder story, people accused you of creating a moral panic and of being a pearl-clutcher. What’s your response to that?
I’m not saying we need courtly love. I did my whole thesis on courtly love and feminism. I know the pitfalls and the problems, and I’m not saying that we should go back to, like, the Sir Lancelot idea of somebody being in your thrall. But it really is nice to have somebody in your thrall, trying to make you feel special. That should be a goal on both sides, to make someone feel special, dating single mom reddit. Let’s not have a competition to see who can care less and who’s gonna text back after more time has passed. All this hedging that people do over dating apps is so tiresome to me. They bend over backward to say, “I didn’t mean to say I cared about you!” What’s wrong with caring about somebody? You don’t have to best latina dating app them. But just, like, could you just care a little bit?
I want people to let themselves fall in love, and even if they get the heartbreak, they fall in love and have good sex and they don’t think that there are 5 million other people out there, dating single mom reddit, because probably there aren’t. It’s like when you sit down and watch Netflix, you spend more time checking out all the different options than you actually do watching the show.
The irony, of course, is that as you were doing all this research in the mid-2010s, you’re also using Tinder and hooking up with younger guys constantly. How did you see your own dating patterns change when you got on the apps?
There used to be a lot more randomness. Believe me, I can’t stress enough that I’m not romanticizing the past. You read the book — in the past, a lot of bad things have happened to me. But I do remember having a lot of fun, dating single mom reddit, and the kind of fun that was about being an independent young woman in New York. You’d run around and go to parties and then you’re on a rooftop making out. It was random. It was a mystery. It was magic. Everybody wasn’t watching porn — they were starting to, but it wasn’t accessible in the way it became in the late ’90s. They’d connect with you more in bed.
Then I went on dating apps, dating single mom reddit, and I felt like I was in service to the app. It was labor. A lot of young women that I’ve interviewed have actually described it as exhausting. You’re working for this company to create data, dating single mom reddit you don’t really realize that because it’s never openly expressed. You’re being judged constantly. You’re being approached by these guys that might be sweet and cute, but they might be a bot. They also might be an incel. You might be having a good conversation but then they want to get a nude, dating single mom reddit, or they want to come over right away and you say no, and they turn on a dime and turn abusive.
Very often with young men, I felt like they didn’t know how to have a conversation. I definitely met some interesting guys, and the reason why I was going out with younger guys was because I was trying to get over a heartbreak and it seemed like a dating single mom reddit thing to do to date a 24-year-old for a minute as a nice distraction. But also, there weren’t a lot of people my age. Tinder, at that point, didn’t even go past 40!
One of the moments in the book that stuck with me is the feeling of trying to explain to a male friend — someone who likely thinks of himself as a feminist — about sexism and watching his eyes just totally glaze over, dating single mom reddit. Why is it still so hard for people to accept that some things are sexist and that we’re doing ourselves a disservice by not talking about them?
As much as we are having a moment and are moving forward, I think this technology is exacerbating misogyny. I don’t think it’s good for men, either: It’s making it harder for all of us to truly connect and find lasting relationships, and not just relationships, even just good sex.
I had a lot of one-night stands in the ’90s when I was a girl about town that were just like … muah. Like, “Wow, that’s a nice memory.” But those are harder and harder to find because you’re in this box now where you have to do things the way the corporation makes you do them. That’s really a problem when it comes to dating because dating should be all about agency and choice, yet algorithms are getting you addicted and making you turn yourself into an object. “Am I fuckable or not?” I want to see radical change, and that all starts with thinking about what you’re doing and what people are making you do. I don’t mean to sound like I have all the answers, dating single mom reddit. I honestly don’t know.
In your documentary, you interview a psychologist who theorizes that the two biggest shifts in dating have been the agricultural revolution and the internet. That made me feel like we’re this generation of guinea pigs who are being tested on by these forces we have no control over. When we look back at early dating apps a dating single mom reddit decades down the line, what do you think or hope we will have learned by then?
That this was a dark age; that this was a period of acceptable and normalized brutality that encouraged things that are completely at odds with our health, our well-being, dating single mom reddit, and our humanity. I know that sounds extreme, but I do hope that’s what will happen. Dating is often seen as a trivial thing, dating single mom reddit, but it’s not trivial. It’s how we get dating single mom reddit, which is pretty important. We have companies that are actively blocking us from finding what we need under the guise of doing the opposite, dating single mom reddit. I think that is so wrong.
For those of us who know you mostly for your narrative reporting pieces, this book was strikingly personal. What was it like going from writing about other people to writing about yourself?
It didn’t start out great. I went to an Airbnb in the Catskills in fall 2018, and I would sit down with my computer and think, “I don’t want to write about that.” And then I realized, every time you think to yourself, “I’m scared to say that,” that’s the thing you have to write about. Just like when you’re interviewing someone, you do things to make them comfortable enough so that their dating single mom reddit self starts to come out, I had to do that to myself. I was very scared.
There’s some things that you discover about yourself that are going to be valuable when you share them because they’re probably very, very human [experiences] that everyone can relate to. That was stuff that once upon a time I would have considered shameful or embarrassing or pathetic — dating situations where you’re having sex with a guy and just getting through it, like you did consent but you’re not really excited about it. I had heard about these kinds of things from young women, and secretly I would be thinking, “I know exactly what you mean, I’ve done that a thousand times.” By talking about it, it’s not so scary anymore.
One Mom Made a Honest Confession About Parenting, and the Internet Didn’t Suck for Once
Parenting is really hard, especially if you’re a single parent. But as one mom learned, there are people on the internet who can sympathize and this single mom confession proves it. About a year ago a woman with the username “unfitmom” posted a very real, and very raw post on Reddit. In the post she reveals that as a single parent to a 3-year-old daughter with virtually no support, “I literally hate being a mom.” She goes on to add “every morning It feels like I’m just waiting for night to get here so she can go to sleep and I can have some time and peace to myself.”
As a single parent, myself, I can relate to this single mom confession.
While her daughter’s father initially agreed to support her, he didn’t. They had only been dating for a year when she became pregnant. Because the relationship came to an end, her only option was living with her family. Her mother offers no support. So, dating single mom reddit, the poster must “give into my daughters tantrums and demands so she can be quiet quickly, or else get yelled at by my mother for waking her up with our noise.” And by her description her daughter “is a very touchy little kid who ALWAYS needs to be held and kissed.” All of that is overwhelming for any parent. But for a single parent, it can be crushing. This woman’s story reminds me of myself and it is painful. It seems like this poor momma has nowhere to turn to.
Normally, posting something so personal in a public forum is a disaster.
But surprisingly, people really stepped up on this particular thread. Many of the comments were full of not just support, but commiseration. “As a once-single dad, I can say that it gets better.” says one user. Adds another “Being a mom is hard, and it doesn’t come naturally to us all; and that’s seriously ok.” Because no matter what our situation, we’ve all been there, dating single mom reddit. As much as I love my kid, 3 year olds are tough, dating single mom reddit. But like many recommended, there are ways to improve a bad situation. Talking about it always helps, even if it’s with strangers on the internet. Another option is dating 25 year old dailymial, which many people suggested.
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Usually, reaching out to strangers on the internet is a disaster. But occasionally, people can come together for good. This mother needed a safe space and was lucky to find it. In a follow up she says “admitting it to you all broke the ice to admitting I’m drowning in my own feelings.” Being a single parent is always hard. But you can find help in unexpected places.
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Man on Reddit Tells Sister to Lower Her Dating Standards Because She's a Single Mom
Ah, Reddit’s popular "Am I The A**hole" (AITA) subreddit strikes again. This time, a man wrote into the forum asking, "AITA for telling my single mom sister she should get more realistic when it comes to her dating standards?" Let's dive in.
The man, u/AitaThrowaway1714, begins by painting a picture of his sister: "My older sister 32(f) is a single mother of two (7m and 5f) because her marriage ended after 4 years," he wrote. "He is still around and pays child [support], but she's mostly raising the kids on her own." What's more, he adds that she considers herself a good catch—"college degree, well-traveled, dating single mom reddit, good job, above average looking"—but has had no luck with dating. So, he says, she asked her brother for a "guy's opinion."
And this is where single parents everywhere are going to join in on a collective eye roll.
"I told her she should get dating single mom reddit realistic when it comes to her dating standards," he wrote. "While she has a lot of things going dating single mom reddit her, most guys don't want to date single moms. It’s not that it’s her fault, but there’s a host of sh*t a guy can end up having to deal with, like the ex being a fixture in your life, the kid giving you sh*t about not being their real dad, you not being her first priority, etc."
Apparently looking for a "tall, good looking guy with a good job (80k+), who is well traveled and has his own place/car, who understands that her children come first at all times dating app for serious relationships 'sweeps her off her feet after a long day'" is just too much to ask. God forbid a woman looks for a decent guy who can take care of himself and is OK with the idea that the kids—and not himself—come first.
His sister hung up on him, and with good reason.
Users immediately started pouring in to comment, calling the original poster out for his behavior.
"I think this lays testament to how much women are conditioned/ expected to take care/ ignore men's baggage when dating," u/allisonkate45 commented, dating single mom reddit. And who says having kids automatically means a woman is damaged goods—or that there aren't men open to the idea of dating someone with a family?
As a mom, I can say that yes, I have changed since having my son. I'm stronger, more patient, more accepting, and can multi-task like no other. I have more love to give and I'm the best version of myself I've ever been. I'm sure dating single mom reddit parents would agree.
The dating double standards between men and women were quickly pointed out on Reddit, too. "Me, a woman, and my brother are both insanely picky when it comes to romantic prospects," wrote u/lordliv. "Guess who gets told more that she’s unlikely to find a man with such 'high standards.' Having high standards, whether male, female, or anything else is not a bad thing, dating single mom reddit. Wanting the best for yourself when you dating single mom reddit your worth is not a bad thing. Stop encouraging people to settle."
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"No debt or minimal makes sense (disqualifying somebody because they have an auto loan or mortgage would be stupid) but if the expectation is for them to be making 80k or above it's dating single mom reddit u/ksmyt wrote. And, sure, money isn't everything when it comes to happiness, but maybe this single mom was exaggerating when talking about her standards and simply wants a dating single mom reddit with a steady job.
The overwhelming verdict? Yeah, dude, you're kind of being an a**hole. Anyone in the dating game should keep their standards high to get exactly what they're looking for—to get what they're worth. It's their lives and happiness that are stake. Family and friends should be more supportive than anyone.
You know that corny phrase that goes, "Shoot for the moon. Even dating single mom reddit you miss, you'll land among the stars"? It definitely pertains to dating. Lower your standards and you're agreeing to accept something you don't actually want—and what's the point of that?
L.A. Affairs: The sheer exhaustion of dating as a single mom
We love each other but we can’t stay married because he is a person with alcoholicism who won’t acknowledge his problem. He takes the king-sized bed. I keep our 2-year-old daughter, Grace, most of the time.
I also buy a queen-sized organic pillow-top mattress, plus all-new sheets, and I make some curtains, reclaiming my bedroom.
A year goes by and I’ve gotten a handle on single parenting. I watch a “Downton Abbey” Christmas episode in which a long-gone character returns — surprise! — and sinks into the arms of his wife, who is stunned, grateful and brimming over with love. I decide that I would like to be partnered in something that feels like that.
Yet over the next seven years I’ll share my bed with a series of highly unavailable people: a funny and handsome podcast producer who announces within the first moments of our meeting that he’ll never marry or live with anyone (still, we date for more than a year); and a woman who, like me, is trying to figure out how exactly how bisexual she is (yep, we are, but we don’t have couple chemistry); and a college boyfriend who resurfaces, with three children and a not-quite ex-wife. (He’s separated but will never divorce.)
But how do I even date now, in the middle of a pandemic, when pretty much anyone can pass a deadly disease to me? And also, Grace is never more than 25 feet dating single mom reddit, I use that old lottery logic: “You can’t win if you don’t play.” I go on a dating app and connect with R., who hooks me with his “Food is my love language!” line. He’s charismatic and can do any accent or voice I ask for, like a jukebox. We each get a COVID test for our second date and have a mind-blowing, molecule-rearranging kiss.
It’s all perfect until we hit Month 3 of dating. Now that there are two adults in my bed a few nights a week, the center is not holding. That’s not a metaphor. My mattress dips, forcing us to roll toward each other, dating single mom reddit, unless we cling to our respective sides. I buy a mattress topper, thinking this can help. But it does the opposite; it’s like a full Pilates workout to just get out of bed. Many experts have suggested that tar pits sucked in dinosaurs, contributing to their extinction. But it becomes clear to me that these great ancient beasts were actually done in by memory foam.
I have a breakthrough in therapy, realizing that as a child nobody really cared about what I wanted or needed. That basically left me unable to think about what I want in a relationship, let alone ask for it, thereby placing all the focus on my partner’s needs. Until everything implodes.
So I practice sitting still and ask myself what I want and need, and I guess I need more than I thought. I love and miss R. when I don’t see him, but when we’re actually together I feel stressed and tired trying to seem like I’ve got shutdown with a kid under complete control. That continuous cleaning, cooking, working and entertaining within my small apartment isn’t wearing me down.
During the pandemic we’re at my house most of the time, and though R. operates with multiple levels of generosity, such as bringing over Chinese food on Fridays, I want him to be more of a partner, not a gentleman caller.
He regularly says, “How can I help?” but I can never think of anything in the moment. Asking for what I want seems like an insurmountable task.
Cooking is my love language, it’s my currency, it’s my one throw-down talent I can share with my friends. Over the holidays I joyfully make a pot of bouillabaisse and a Bolognese. And then two batches of shortbread, one for a last-minute neighbor gift and one for us. And then I was done cooking. So I said, “I’m done cooking.”
What that really means but I can’t say out loud is, “I have taken very good care of both of you! I am tired now! I would like someone to make something for me!” And of course, because Grace is only 9, I want him to take the wheel in the kitchen. It is a hint that floats in the air for a few seconds and lands somewhere over by the recycling bin.
When dinnertime comes around, I notice nobody else is making a move for the kitchen. So in my sadness and frustration, I make soup and serve it.
Adding a second adult to the mix feels like I am disturbing all the perfectly balanced, precariously spinning plates of my life. I have a foreboding feeling for the next several days after. Maybe having a boyfriend and a kid dating single mom reddit just not possible after all.
I am increasingly conflicted about having enough time and love for everyone. And it feels like my plane is falling from the sky, smoking, burning. So I bail out. I break up with him. He is blindsided and brokenhearted. He would have done anything I’d asked … if only I’d asked.
I also get a new dating single mom reddit. A firm one.
I make the new bed with freshly clean sheets and lie down. It’s supportive. It is exactly what I need.
I wish R. could dating single mom reddit this mattress, I think he’d like it, dating single mom reddit. We like the same art and food and movies. We think the same things are funny. I thought I was ready. I thought I was truly available in all the right ways. Like R. is.
But clearly, dating single mom reddit, I’m not there. I’m hit with the sickening realization that I’ve made a mistake by dating single mom reddit at least having a dating single mom reddit with R. before the breakup. Plus, I miss how he and Grace bonded over art and music and pandas, but I’m dating single mom reddit that if we got back together I’d go back to feeling stressed out and there would be another breakup.
After dating single mom reddit few days of agonizing silence, we talk to try to sort through the wreckage I’ve wrought.
We sit on his porch, masked, warmed by the crisp California winter sun. I’m reminded of his humor and patience, that resonant voice, and his willingness to listen to me. Like, really listen, dating single mom reddit. He wants me back, but it’s an all-or-nothing deal; he doesn’t want to be among a class of friends I have that used to be lovers. I can see us together, maybe sitting on this porch on a daily basis, morning coffee in hand.
I just have no idea how to get there.
For the next few days we have some sweet phone conversations. His continued patience with my uncertainty and messiness is mind-boggling and makes me love him even more. I invite him to come over with the condition that we don’t say a word.
It’s late and he slips in through the unlocked kitchen door and comes to bed. We are silent, revisiting each other, like some strange extended acting-class exercise. It feels good and right.
We will make no decisions this very second. We will sleep on it and see how we feel tomorrow, and the day after, and the day after that.
The author is a Los Angeles-based freelancer and the author of “Rock Needs River: A Memoir About a Very Open Adoption.” She and R. are quite happy together.
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